It’s Time for a Schism Regarding Women in the Church

24 Nov

Reposting the first part of Tony Jones’ article on women in the church

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I don’t take this lightly. I very much take Jesus’ prayer for unity in the Fourth Gospel seriously. Our eschatological hope is that the church will be one, and that we will all be united in belief, practice, and love.

But sometimes we need to separate. We need to say hard words to those who are not living the way that Jesus laid out for us. We need to divorce.

The time has come for a schism regarding the issue of women in the church. Those of us who know that women should be accorded full participation in every aspect of church life need to visibly and forcefully separate ourselves from those who do not. Their subjugation of women is anti-Christian, and it should be tolerated no longer.

That means:

  • If you attend a church that does not let women preach or hold positions of ecclesial authority, you need to leave that church.
  • If you work for a ministry that does not affirm women in ecclesial leadership, you need to leave that ministry.
  • If you write for a publishing house that also prints books by “complementarians,” you need to take your books to another publishing house.
  • If you speak at conferences, you need to withdraw from all events that do not affirm women as speakers, teachers, and leaders.  Read more here.

Sadly, the secular world has discovered the gifts and talents of women decades ago, and there comes a time when enough is enough.  The time for talk is done.  The issue was settled long ago for most people. There is no good news in gender power structures.

It will be difficult for many people. It will cause broken relationships. But we have daughters, and the subjugation of women in the church needs to end in this generation.


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Posted by on November 24, 2013 in sociology, theology, women's ordination


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16 responses to “It’s Time for a Schism Regarding Women in the Church

  1. Karin

    November 24, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Is this then an invitation to leave the LCA?

    • Katie and Martin

      November 24, 2013 at 9:33 pm

      Tony Jones is talking from a USA church context.

  2. Sandra

    November 24, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    We have daughters.

  3. Graham Semmler

    November 24, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t think that we need to talk about this at this time, we have waited this long, let’s wait for the next Synod and give our new Bishop the chance to make some changes. Remember he hasn’t been in the position very long.Jesus didn’t change everything overnight either.
    God Bless you all. Graham Semmler

    • Katie and Martin

      November 24, 2013 at 9:35 pm

      This is from the US but it’s useful hearing how frustrated people are with the state of affairs. At some stage congregations need may need to act.

    • janine

      November 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm

      i think that this is actually something we should talk about, all the time, we can no longer go on ignoring this.

      however, i do take your point that we should perhaps allow the new bishop one synod.

      but, for those oppressed, there is only so long that they can and should wait whilst those in power refuse to share. as we are often reminded, rights are rarely given, they usually need to be taken.

  4. gladdoug

    November 25, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Where oh here is your Christian Love in wanting to cause schism in our church, you will cause friction, put families against families. Etc.The Devil does move in strange and sneaky ways his duties to perform. My family consider your movements as wolves in sheep closing Why don’t you form another cult if you feel so strongly Doug

    • janine

      November 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      feeling the christian love from you doug. thanks.

  5. Margaret

    November 25, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I don’t believe that this article is helpful at all in promoting Women’s Ordination in the LCA. I agree with Graham Semmler’s comments. Maybe it’s been a long time in the melting pot, but the time to wait is now – for just a wee bit longer. Leaving the LCA would solve absolutely nothing, as Tony seems to be suggesting.

    • Karin

      November 25, 2013 at 11:11 pm

      Leaving the LCA may not change anything in the LCA, that is correct, but it will change the lives of those who move away. There is a freedom when the chains that enslaved and oppressed are left behind and one can stand proud and tall, claiming ones place as a woman next to God.

      • janine

        November 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm

        in the end, the lca is just a church, not God.

        • Karin

          November 26, 2013 at 12:46 am

          That is exactly it! My walk is with God, the church is there to guide me in the process, but when the church cannot do this, then I have to move on. There is no choice really, Jesus’ call to follow him must always come first. In fact, scripture says that to follow Christ one must leave all things and follow him, and that we must be ready to part from all things and people to follow him. I suspect that to follow him, some must also leave the LCA behind.

  6. BarneyChristian P.J. Bahnerth PhD

    March 30, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Join a church that matches your belief, do NOT attempt to change a church so it matches your belief.

    • Katie and Martin

      April 3, 2014 at 7:13 pm

      Dear Barney, that’s a shaky policy. The LCA will shortly ordain women – nothing is more certain. When that happens it would be churlish for us to suggest that you join another church.

  7. janine

    April 3, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    for a lutheran that’s pretty darn funny.


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