… and the time has come.
Posted by Katie and Martin on May 16, 2012 in theology
May 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Tell a girl that she cannot be a father, a brother, an uncle etc. …
May 18, 2012 at 4:39 pm
And I’ll stand sadly, as a man, in awareness of the hordes of men who, although technically fathers due to their ability to inseminate, are absent or caught in some perpetual state of semi-adolescence, leaving very capable mothers to fulfill both her role and theirs. I understand that, thankfully, there are many fathers, brothers, uncles, and other men doing good work, but outside of their essential maleness, I can’t think of much within the context of their roles that isn’t being doing just as well (or better) by women. Women may not have the capability, as you so astutely noted, to technically become fathers, brothers, uncles, etc., but genitalic specificity in no way bars a person of either sex from achieving success (whether for themselves personally or within the empowerment of others).
May 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Adam B. mentioned “success” and “empowerment” if that is all that concerns you, there is no need to discuss this further. In the secular realm some women can cook better than men [and vice versa], Most women have more compassion than men, but that does not denigrate male nurses, male medical staff, and male chaplains. I note that Adam still has some concept of ‘vocation’ left, but still cannot accept that a woman cannot be the husband of one wife.
May 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm
barney, i think you misunderstand – supporting the ordination of women does not mean women want to be men. it means they want to be pastors and, as has been demonstrated many times on this website, there is not biblical impediment to their being so,
NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU SHOUT ‘FACTS’ AT US.
July 4, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Why are you all bullying each other and especially men ? I’m not concerned with God’s gender, I just know he revealed himself as a man. This doesn’t mean he is male. he had his reasons which I don’t know. He reveals himself as a father. Why do you have trouble relating to him as a father ?
Katie and Martin
July 15, 2012 at 5:08 pm
When the oppressed become assertive, throughout history they have been labelled as angry and dismissed. Anger is essential in response to injustice – without it the oppression continues.
When the oppressed respond it is not bullying. https://katieandmartin.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/bullying-within-the-church/ Bullying is about abusive, unequal use of power.
Supporters of women’s ordination have no trouble relating to God as father, however, God is greater than any one metaphor. God is revealed as a woman in many Biblical verses. To understand the mystery and depth of God therefore requires the use of many images. The objection is to the exclusive use of male language, male descriptors and metaphors of God. To restrict the pastoral image of God to male pastors is likewise limiting.
God is more than the male metaphors we so often hear.
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